Operación Neptune's Spear: Gerónimo EKIA - Muerte Bin Laden

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El hilo se cogió por una llamada de telefono de el correo usado por Osama:
Phone call by Kuwaiti courier led to Osama Updated at 10:32 PST Tuesday, May 03, 2011

WASHINGTON: When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led US pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a US official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led US intelligence to a walled compound in Abottabad, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida.

Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

"Hassan Ghul was the linchpin," a US official said.

Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida.

If they could find the man known as al-Kuwaiti, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in US history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

It took years of work before the CIA identified the courier's real name: Sheikh Abu Ahmed, a Pakistani man born in Kuwait. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold.

Ahmed was identified by detainees as a mid-level operative who helped al-Qaida members and their families find safe havens. But his whereabouts were such a mystery to US intelligence that, according to Guantanamo Bay documents, one detainee said Ahmed was wounded while fleeing US forces during the invasion of Afghanistan and later died in the arms of the detainee.

But in the middle of last year, Ahmed had a telephone conversation with someone being monitored by US intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. Ahmed was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch Ahmed.

In August 2010, Ahmed unknowingly led authorities to a compound in Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.

In fact, nobody came or went. And no telephone or Internet lines ran from the compound. The CIA soon believed that bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, in a hideout especially built to go unnoticed. But since bin Laden never traveled and nobody could get onto the compound without passing through two security gates, there was no way to be sure.

Despite that uncertainty, intelligence officials realized this could represent the best chance ever to get to bin Laden. They decided not to share the information with anyone, including staunch counterterrorism allies such as Britain, Canada and Australia.

By mid-February, the officials were convinced a "high-value target" was hiding in the compound. President Barack Obama wanted to take action.

"They were confident and their confidence was growing: 'This is different. This intelligence case is different. What we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before,'" John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. "I was confident that we had the basis to take action."

Options were limited. The compound was in a residential neighborhood in a sovereign country. If Obama ordered an airstrike and bin Laden was not in the compound, it would be a huge diplomatic problem. Even if Obama was right, obliterating the compound might make it nearly impossible to confirm bin Laden's death.

Said Brennan: "The president had to evaluate the strength of that information, and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

Obama tapped two dozen members of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six to carry out a raid with surgical accuracy.

Before dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country's radar systems, a US official said.

Officially, it was a kill-or-capture mission, since the US doesn't kill unarmed people trying to surrender. But it was clear from the beginning that whoever was behind those walls had no intention of surrendering, two US officials said.

The helicopters lowered into the compound, dropping the SEALs behind the walls. No shots were fired, but shortly after the team hit the ground, one of the helicopters came crashing down and rolled onto its side for reasons the government has yet to explain. None of the SEALs was injured, however, and the mission continued uninterrupted.

With the CIA and White House monitoring the situation in real time - presumably by live satellite feed or video carried by the SEALs - the team stormed the compound.

Thanks to sophisticated satellite monitoring, US forces knew they'd likely find bin Laden's family on the second and third floors of one of the buildings on the property, officials said. The SEALs secured the rest of the property first, then proceeded to the room where bin Laden was hiding. A firefight ensued, Brennan said.

Ahmed and his brother were killed, officials said. Then, the SEALs killed bin Laden with a bullet just above his left eye, blowing off part his skull, another official said. Using the call sign for his visual identification, one of the soldiers communicated that "Geronimo" had been killed in action, according to a US official.

Bin Laden's body was immediately identifiable, but the US also conducted DNA testing that identified him with near 100 percent certainty, senior administration officials said. Photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation on site by a woman believed to be bin Laden's wife, who was wounded, and matching physical features such as bin Laden's height all helped confirm the identification. At the White House, there was no doubt.

"I think the accomplishment that very brave personnel from the United States government were able to realize yesterday is a defining moment in the war against al-Qaida, the war on terrorism, by decapitating the head of the snake known as al-Qaida," Brennan said.

US forces searched the compound and flew away with documents, hard drives and DVDs that could provide valuable intelligence about al-Qaida, a US official said. The entire operation took about 40 minutes, officials said.

Bin Laden's body was flown to the USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian sea, a senior defense official said. There, aboard a US warship, officials conducted a traditional Islamic burial ritual. Bin Laden's body was washed and placed in a white sheet. He was placed in a weighted bag that, after religious remarks by a military officer, was slipped into the sea about 2 a.m. EDT Monday.

Said the president: "I think we can all agree this is a good day for America." (AP)
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La siempre interesante opinión de Javier Jordán http://www.expansion.com/2011/05/02/eco ... 1304426455
Hoy Fernando Reinares también ha hablado en Onda Cero, en el programa de Carlos Herrera.
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Código de la operación: Gerónimo
2 mensajes cruciales: "contacto visual con Gerónimo"
"Gerónimo EKIA"
EKIA: acrónimo inglés de enemigo muerto en combate.
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Mi más sincera enhorabuena a los operativos tanto de inteligencia como de los NAVY SEALS que han participado en esta operación. Después de 10 años en busca y captura, el grupo de los SEALS se merecen una medalla después de esta operación.

Esperemos que las repercusiones de Al-Qaeda sean minimas (aunque es provable que no)
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kilo009 escribió:Buenos días Glock:
¿Actuaria hoy en día de la misma forma, y sin temblarle el pulso cualquier líder político europeo, ruso, estadounidense…contra un líder de una organización terrorista, (pongamos Al-Qaeda) si tiene la posibilidad de acabar con el mediante una bomba, un misil, un francotirador, un veneno…?
Según quien sea el líder europeo y el país que represente, sí lo haría. Influye mucho la conciencia de seguridad que tenga el país y el grado de conciencia en este asunto que tengan sus fuerzas políticas, además del valor a asumir un fracaso, pero va ligado con lo anterior. Es decir, si el partido A quiere tomar la decisión de eliminar un terrorista que se encuentra en un país que no colabora, y el partido B puede utilizar el fracaso como arma política contra A, la operación no se lleva a cabo, o el líder de A tendría que afrontar con valor la decisión sabiendo que su partido puede caer inmediatamente. Para lo mismo con la liberación de rehenes en el extranjero.

Otra pregunta es si existen o no esas capacidades de inteligencia y militares, para por ejemplo, llevar a cabo un raid en Mali
Ahora mismo, los hechos (Secuestros con fines varios, asesinato de franceses, etc) parecen indicar que no hay mucha capacidad de respuesta a incidentes en la zona, pero todo dependerá del incidente, la nacionalidad de la víctima o la entidad del personaje a liquidar.
Saludos.
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sobare escribió:Mi más sincera enhorabuena a los operativos tanto de inteligencia como de los NAVY SEALS que han participado en esta operación. Después de 10 años en busca y captura, el grupo de los SEALS se merecen una medalla después de esta operación.

Esperemos que las repercusiones de Al-Qaeda sean minimas (aunque es provable que no)
Pues con casi total seguridad, el equipo integrante se llevará la Citación Presidencial y varios de sus integrantes se llevarán la Cruz Naval (equivante a nuestra Medalla Militar Individual).
Muchas de las condecoraciones ganadas en combate por ST y Deltas no pueden llevarse en el uniforme ya que están calificadas secretas (por la naturaleza clandestina de muchas de ellas y por motivos de seguridad personal de los militares que en ellas participan).
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¿El cadaver al mar? seguro que esos SEALs se han llevado algo de recuerdo :wink:
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PERICO escribió:¿El cadaver al mar? seguro que esos SEALs se han llevado algo de recuerdo :wink:
Durante la guerra de Vietnam tenían la costumbre seguir los pasos de los gurkas para ante los jefes acreditar las bajas enemigas: cortaban (y se llevaban) una oreja de cada uno de sus enemigos muertos.
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Cronología de “Gerónimo EKIA”

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Cronología de “Gerónimo EKIA”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13257330
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Re: La muerte de Osama bin Laden

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Buenas a todos,

Pues no termino de creerlo del todo. En primer lugar porque no deberíamos de tomar los mensajes de EE.UU. como dogmas de fe, si no hay prueba evidente se debería de dejar en suspenso y en duda.
En esta operación que dicen que han realizado hay un momton de cosas extrañas, entre ellas la absurda idea de tirarlo al mar de esa forma, pero claro, sino hay cadáver tampoco podemos llevar la contraria. En este mundo el que tiene la carga de la prueba es el que afirma, mientras el afirmante no lo pruebe no se puede dar como verdadero.

Según datos de otras agencias de inteligencia e incluso por miembros de la propia CIA, Bin Laden murió el 21 de Diciembre de 2001, pocos meses después de los atentados de las torres gemelas. Lo único que dejo después de los atentados es un vídeo en el cual aseguraba el propio terrorista que él jamas cometió esos atentados. Todas las grabaciones posteriores a noviembre de 2001 son manipulaciones y dobladores de voz, el último supuesto de vídeo autentico del 2004 resultó ser una superposición de imágenes donde simulaba que estaba dando un mensaje, pero que hasta un niño se daría cuenta de los errores de edición que llevaban.

El 26 de Diciembre de 2001 un periódico Egipcio publicó la muerte de Bin Laden, que coincide con los informes de muchos agentes que afirmaron que murió en ese bombardeo.

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Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

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Enlace a más información: http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/


Ahora mismo no tengo razón de creer ni a EE.UU. ni mucho menos a Obama, cuando demuestren sus afirmaciones y analice los datos quizás mi opinión cambie.

Nuestros servicios secretos deberían, y supongo que están en ello, de analizar todo esto, y hacerse un momento de preguntas, ¿Es realmente Bin Laden?, ¿por que tirarlo al mar?, ¿por qué ahora?.
¿quien dice que no es un montaje?, quizás es el momento de hacer justicia al pueblo americano y que mejor momento que este, el cual Obama está con la popularidad por los suelos. De todas formas si Bin Laden está muerto desde el 21 de Diciembre de 2001, ¿Quien se va a dar cuenta?.

Todos sabemos que un gobierno no hace una declaración de este tipo sin antes tener las espaldas cubiertas, así que nos podemos encontrar con cualquier estrategia de EE.UU. ¿Quizás entrar en conflicto con Pakistán?.

Un saludo a todos.
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