Argelia

Temas a tratar: Marruecos , Argelia , Libia , Túnez, Sahara Occidental y Seguridad en el Mediterráneo.

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Temas a tratar: Marruecos , Argelia , Libia , Túnez, Sahara Occidental y Seguridad en el Mediterráneo.
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Señores, miren a quién tenemos en España para sacar bastante información sobre la Seguridad argelina: El coronel Mohamed Samraoui, de 54 años, ex número dos de la seguridad argelina.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/E ... inac_5/Tes

Me imagino que ya le habrán caído encima unos ojeadores.
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Pues sí, como me imaginaba, rápidamente le ha caído encima el CNI:

"En Málaga pasé miedo porque a los policías se sumó un agente del CNI y temí que los servicios españoles me enviasen a Argelia para hacer un favor a sus homólogos argelinos"

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internac ... int_13/Tes
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Ya hay fotos de los Su-30MKA argelinos que se esperan sean etregados antes de fin de año.
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En realidad los argelinos se han pillado un cabreo bastante gordo con MAPO-MIG, les han querido colar unas celulas de Mig-29 iraquies, almacenados desde 1992, con pocas horas de vuelo o ninguna, pero claro pagandolos como nuevos, no es cuestión de quedarte con esas celulas.

De ahí que después de esas broncas, los argelinos hayan corrido a interesarse por el FC-1 chino, parece que como una medida de presión a MIG, pero que tienen problemas con MIG y estos aviones es más que claro.

los Yak-130 argelinos van a tener la capacidad de realizar patrullas maritimas, o eso es lo que están pidiendo, capacidad de usar pods y varias cosas más.

La armada argelina acaba de encargar seis EH-101 supuestamente como maquinas SAR y cuatro Super Lynx 300 para uso general y entre ese uso general parece que vendrán los Sea Skua, otra noticia estupenda para la marina marroquí, este trato salió adelante despreciando la oferta francesa de cuatro Caracal (el cougar c-sar ese tan feo) y de cuatro Panther.

Y algo me habré dejado, pero bueno, como primer mensaje, no me ha quedado mal del todo.
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Ramón, que bueno verte por aquí!!
La necesidad permite lo prohibido.
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FlancoSur ya habló del encargo a AugustaWestland. :wink:

Lo de los MiG-29 no sé yo cómo calificarlo. Rusia les vendió el MiG-29SMT-2, que los rusos claramente promocionan como un paquete de mejora de aviones ya construidos.

MiG está promocionando dos líneas comerciales: Los aviones nuevos (MiG-29K, MiG-29M2, etc) y los paquetes de mejoras (MiG-29SMT, SMT-2, etc). Las diferencias entre ambas son estructurales, de tal manera que los primeros sólo pueden ser aviones nuevos. El problema es que a día de hoy no hay cadena de montaje de MiG-29, a la espera del comienzo de producción del MiG-29K para la India. Sólo están saliendo aviones a partir de células almacenadas de los ejemplares que no se llegaron a entregar a Rusia e Iraq.

Así que ya me diréis quién se ha pasado de listo en esta historia.
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Muchas gracias Esteban por la bienvenida.

Bueno canario, el Super Lynx es el 300 no el 400, que creo que ni existe, y esos cuatro se supone que serán la dotación aerea de las dos fragatas que quieren comprar.

Aunque ya decían que estaban adjudicadas a Rusia, por lo visto no, porque les llegaron a ofrecer los patrulleros que hizo BAE (creo) para Brunei, les han ofrecido una Tipo 23, pero mas multirol con menos enfasis en la lucha ASW e incluso han pedido precio por las Meko 200 iguales que las sudafricanas, de hecho decían que hasta podrían negociar con Sudafrica incorporar dos de las suyas y que Sudafrica recibiera otras dos posteriormente. Incluyendo obviamente los misiles sudafricanos Umkhonto, siendo Argelia un buen cliente de armamento sudafricano.

Lo de los Mig-29, Bouteflika por lo visto le dijo a Putin que tenian un problema con dos de los seis Mig-29 entregados en el primer lote, los dos UB y MIG se ofreció a cambiarselos por otros dos aparatos, así que problema haberlo, hailo, ya veremos como lo solucionan.
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Y los rusos dicen queeeeee.......


One-Sided Cooperation

// Russia cannot get mutuality from Algeria
Russian companies encounter more and more difficulties in Algeria, a country which was until recently regarded as Moscow’s key partner in Africa. Sonatrach oil and gas company declared that it stops cooperation with Gazprom, while Algeria’s authorities suspended weapons supply from Russia, although it had already been agreed upon. Russia-Algeria relations cooled down while new French President Nicolas Sarkozy became more active in the African region. Russia lays its last hopes on the upcoming summit: Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika scheduled to visit Moscow in January, as Kommersant learned. So, he is to explain to the Kremlin what caused his country’s unexpected U-turn.
Natural Gas

Earlier this week, The Wall Street Journal reported with reference to Sonatrach head Mohamed Meziane that “the cooperation pact between the state gas companies of Algeria and Russia, signed in August 2006, expired a couple of months ago”. The pact provided legal support for projects of hydrocarbon and liquefied gas production.

Two sources in Russia confirmed that the agreement expired in August. The first source, a Gazprom manager, said: “We sent several letters offering to carry on our cooperation, and have received no answer yet, -- neither affirmative, nor negative. So, we regard the agreement as prolonged.” The source expressed indignation with the fact that Algeria has not yet provided any official notice, while ‘loud statements are periodically thrown in press”. The cooperation was just about to settle when the situation changed drastically, the source said. The parties created a working group and held its first session, where Algerians chose four out of eight projects proposed by Gazprom for implementation in Russia, and Russians said they are interested in Algeria. However, the working group did not even get enough time to write a report: Sonatrach cut off negotiations.

The Algerian company may be waiting for the decision concerning one of the discussed projects. Sonatrach wanted to have a share in the project of building a gas liquefying factory by Baltik LNG. Gazprom has not answered that inquiry so far, because it has not approved the project yet. Gazprom CEOs several times returned the project for revision, because of economic efficiency risks. The document will be once again discussed on December 19. If it is approved, Sonatrach will get a chance to become a partner in building the gas liquefying factory, said the Gazprom source off-the-record.

Besides, Russia and Algeria were trying just a while ago to present a unified position in the international energy policy. For instance, Algeria’s authorities supported in 2006 Russia’s suggestion on creating a ‘natural gas OPEC’.

The Sonatrach head’s strange statement was delivered soon after French President Nicolas Sarkozy honored Algeria with a state visit. Sarkozy confessed he had signed contracts worth over $7.3 billion in total with his Algerian counterpart. First of all, these are the gas cooperation agreements. For instance, Sonatrach and Gaz de France signed a contract for gas supplies to France till 2019.

Algeria is the third largest supplier of natural gas to Europe, after Russia and Norway. Algerian gas comes via pipelines to the markets of France, Spain, Italy, and Portugal. Liquefied natural gas can be transported in tankers to Great Britain, Turkey, Greece, and the United States. Algeria plans to increase the total gas export up to 85 billion cubic meters a year by 2010, from the current 62 billion cubic meters, by means of building two gas pipelines to Spain and Italy. These pipelines will allow expanding the EU export capacity by 50 percent in the next three-five years.

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Russia and Algeria have similar disagreement in their military equipment cooperation. Back in March 2006, when Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Algeria, the two parties signed a package of contracts worth around $8 billion in total. For instance, it included 28 Su-30MKI(A) fighter jets, 28 single-pilot MiG-29SMT planes, 6 two-pilot MiG-29UB planes, 16 Yak-130 operational trainers, four S-300PMU-2 air defense missile systems, 38 Armor-S1 anti-aircraft missile systems, 185 T-90S tanks, 216 Kornet-E missile launchers, 8 Kransopol precision weapon systems. Besides, there was concluded an agreement on re-equipping 400 BMP-1 which had been purchased earlier. In June 2006, they also signed a contract for building two Project 636 diesel-electric submarines at Admiralty Dockyard in St. Petersburg. In return, Russia completely wrote off the entire foreign debt of Algeria to the former USSR worth $ 4.7 billion.

However, Algeria soon afterwards stopped financing a number of signed contracts. Thus, after the first supply of MiG fighter jets arrived in late 2006, Algeria stopped buying them. A source in Russia’s Federal Service for Military Equipment Cooperation (FSMEC) said the supply of more MiG planes was initially suspended due to Algeria’s claims to the quality of two MiG-29UB operational trainers. “The FSMEC council discussed the claims to those MiG in March, working out the recommendations for eliminating the problems. The problems were removed,” the source said. However, Algeria continued setting unfounded claims to MiG jets, the FSMEC official added.

A source in MiG said the corporation received a prepayment and payments for the first supply of jets. “All planes from the first supply were accepted by the customer’s representatives in Russia. After they were transported to Algeria, the jets were accepted by Algeria’s air force. Then, the jets were put into service. Then, however, there appeared claims to their quality,” the source said. “That is when Algeria stopped financing the contracts. Consequently, the next stage of contract implementation has been suspended, while MiG and Russia in general are suffering losses”, the MiG source added. Elena Fedorova, MiG corporation’s spokesperson, said that “all jets supplied to Algeria met the requirements of the customer. There came no official claims from Algeria to MiG corporation,” she added.

Anyway, Algeria presented claims to the jets right after their first supply, and Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika sent a corresponding letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin in August, said a source in the Russian president’s staff. In November, the Algeria export stalemate was discussed in the Military Equipment Cooperation Commission headed by Putin. “We prepared a letter in response, but we have not so far managed to pass it to the Algerian president, even via the ambassador,” said the FSMEC official. “Algeria does not respond to our inquiries. The talks on new contracts worth around $7 billion in total have been suspended as well,” he added.

Clans

Apparently, the scandals, one after another, are a consequence of the inner struggle in the Algerian government. Thus, Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Strategy and Technology Analysis Center, believes “there is a confrontation of interests between military and energy officials” in Algeria’s political elite. “In both groups, there are pro-Russia, pro-France, and pro-American groupings which fight for their partners’ interests. Those at least six ‘clans’ confront each other, winning in turns,” the expert said.

For instance, the clan confrontation manifested itself in the Algeria-France scandal shortly before Sarkozy’s visit. Ahead of the visit, Mohamed Cherif Abbas, Algeria’s minister for veterans’ affairs, suddenly said that Sarkozy owes his election as French president to the Jewish lobby, because he is a Jew by a quarter. The French president’s visit was nearly frustrated. Bouteflika himself had to interfere. He telephoned his French counterpart and said the minister’s statement is his personal opinion and does not reflect the position of Algeria’s authorities. Eventually, the so-called pro-France clan won.

By the way, giving more attention to Africa, and primarily to Algeria, was a key point in Sarkozy’s campaign program. During his visit to Algeria, he did everything he could to produce the best impression on the local elite. For instance, he termed France’s colonial regime as an “utmost injustice”.

France’s “courting” Algeria is definitely a part of the united European strategy. After the last-year talks on creating a ‘gas OPEC’, the EU is strongly interested in preventing any alliances between Russia and Algeria.

Meanwhile, the clan struggle in Algeria goes on. A source in Arab diplomatic sources said the relations between Russia and Algeria can be restored during Bouteflika’s visit to Moscow scheduled for January. During the last personal meeting of the two presidents, they managed to reach agreement on writing off Algeria’s debt and on new military equipment contracts. However, Bouteflika’s health has aggravated lately, and there is no certainty in Algeria that the visit will not be cancelled, the diplomat said.
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Por aqui tambien se mueve la cocaina.


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Ils ont été retrouvés par un pêcheur
Quatre kilogrammes de cocaïnes retrouvés à Tipaza



Les Garde-côtes de la wilaya de Tipaza ont saisi, avant-hier soir, 4kgs de cocaïne, entre Sidi Ghilès et Cherchell.
Des sources bien informées ont indiqué que cette quantité de drogues a été retrouvée par un pêcheur suspendue dans sa toile, avant de contacter les services des Garde-côtes qui se sont dépêchées vers les lieux et l’ont saisie.
Cela intervient moins d’une semaine après qu’une quantité estimée de 30kg de cannabis ait été retrouvée par une patrouille des Garde cotes dans la même région, tard dans la nuit de Mercredi dernier. Cette quantité était à bord d’une barque semi pneumatique utilisée par les trafiquants pour transporter leurs marchandises du Maroc vers l’Europe.
Selon les statistiques de l’Office National de la Lutte contre la Drogue et la Toxicomanie, 22 kg de cocaïne et 384 g d’Héroïne ont été saisis l’année passée.







27-05-2008
Par B. Mustapha/ Rubrique Traduction
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